Living at Sea and the Cost of a World Cruise

Thoughts on residential ships and a practical alternative

By Joe Lipman | Summit Management Services | November 5, 2026

As Denise and I prepare to board MSC for a week in the Mediterranean, I keep thinking about people who made a much larger commitment to life at sea. They purchased long-term cabin rights, packed their belongings and expected their ship to become their home. The appeal is easy to understand: unpack once, enjoy a community and wake up somewhere new.

I once seriously considered purchasing a residence at sea, both as a place to live after retirement and as an investment. I remember a purchase price around $350,000, a monthly fee around $3,000 and an arrangement under which the cabin could be rented while I was away. Those are my recollections of an offer, not verified terms for Villa Vie Odyssey. The precise price, occupancy requirement and rental commission would need to be checked against the original agreement.

What held my attention was the ship. How old was it? What condition were its machinery and hull in? How much money was set aside for repairs? What happened if operating expenses rose faster than monthly collections? Having dealt with property ownership, I could see familiar questions about maintenance, reserves and unexpected assessments.

The reported suspension of Villa Vie Odyssey in Cambodia brings those questions into focus. Residents were ordered ashore on October 27, 2026. Subsequent reporting said the lender had taken control and the vessel departed for Singapore without residents on November 4. That account remains a developing story, rather than a final finding about every resident’s rights or recovery. [1]

A way to enjoy the experience with a defined commitment

My practical alternative is to price an extended cruise before purchasing long-term cabin rights. A 90-day journey, a roughly six-month world cruise or a carefully assembled 350-day program can deliver much of the travel experience. Each has a defined fare and booking contract, although cancellation penalties, itinerary changes and operator risk still matter.

At SMS, our role would be to compare similar cabins, internet access and everyday inclusions, then show excursions and other supplements separately. This article explains how I would approach that comparison. All planning estimates are identified; none is an SMS offer or a guaranteed departure.


What owning a residence at sea means

The word ownership deserves close attention. A condominium, a cooperative and a cabin-rights agreement can look similar in a brochure while giving the buyer different assets and different control. Villa Vie’s published terms refer to a Cabin Rights Purchase Agreement. A resident’s signed agreement—not the marketing label—determines the rights purchased. [2]

Question

Condominium

Cooperative

Ship cabin rights

What do I buy?

Deeded unit and common interest

Shares with occupancy rights

Rights defined by contract

Who owns the property?

Unit owners and shared common elements

The cooperative corporation

The vessel owning entity

Who governs?

Elected association board

Elected corporate board

Contract and corporate structure

What funds shared costs?

Dues and assessments

Maintenance and assessments

Fees and agreed surcharges

Can I rent or resell?

Subject to governing rules

Subject to rules and approval

Subject to transfer and rental terms

These are general U.S. housing comparisons, not a legal classification of every residential ship. HUD and Census distinguish deeded condominium units from cooperative shares. A cabin purchase should not be assumed to provide either form of protection. [3]

The building also has to move

A ship must support accommodation and hospitality as well as navigation, propulsion, safety systems and maritime compliance. Residents depend on an operating company and a functioning vessel. A ship can stop sailing even when a resident has paid every fee on time.

Odyssey entered service in 1993 and previously sailed as Braemar. At approximately 33 years old in 2026, it was a converted cruise ship. Age alone does not establish that a vessel is unsafe or uneconomic; its survey history, engineering condition, maintenance plan and funded reserves are more useful evidence. [1]

The purchase price and the monthly fee answer different questions

Historical Villa Vie advertising put an inside cabin from approximately $130,000, a balcony from approximately $330,000 and a suite from approximately $440,000. Actual average transaction prices are not established. An earlier inside-cabin fee was $2,499 monthly for one occupant or $3,500 total for two. Later programs changed prices. Double-occupancy fees were sometimes quoted per person, doubling the headline figure for a couple. [4]

I would also ask what happens when I am absent. Does the monthly fee continue? Who finds renters? Who pays cleaning and damage costs? Where are rental proceeds held? A projected rental return belongs in the calculation only after commissions, continuing fees and an allowance for vacancy.


The recurring cost of keeping a ship operating

Published specifications commonly list about 485 cabins, while reported internal financial documents used 490. Those documents reportedly showed 139 cabins unsold in August 2026, implying 351 sold. About 200 residents were aboard at shutdown. Sold cabins, occupied cabins and fee-paying accounts are different measures. [1, 5]

The same reported documents put monthly expenses at $3.1 million against $2.5 million of revenue even at full occupancy and full fees. A source close to the company disputed the expense figure. These are reported, unaudited numbers; they do not establish an independently verified balance sheet. At face value, however, they imply a $600,000 monthly shortfall. [5]

An illustrative budget rather than Villa Vie accounts

The model below assumes 200 residents, 156 crew, a 30-day month and 750 tons of fuel at $700 per ton. These assumptions test affordability; the departmental allocations are not verified company spending. Figures exclude debt service and existing arrears.

Expense

Monthly

Annualized

Food and beverages

$225,000

$2,700,000

Crew employment excluding food

$600,000

$7,200,000

Fuel at assumed price

$525,000

$6,300,000

Routine technical maintenance

$175,000

$2,100,000

Drydock and major repair reserve

$150,000

$1,800,000

Ports and marine services

$120,000

$1,440,000

Insurance

$100,000

$1,200,000

Hotel supplies laundry and waste

$60,000

$720,000

Communications medical supplies and administration

$100,000

$1,200,000

Contingency

$205,000

$2,460,000

Total before debt service

$2,260,000

$27,120,000

The total equals approximately $520,110 per week or $74,301 per day using 365 days annually. Food assumes $25 per resident daily and $12 per crew member, plus a modest provisioning allowance. Loaded crew employment averages approximately $3,850 monthly; officers and other roles would differ substantially.

At $2,000 per ton, the same model rises to approximately $3.24 million monthly; at $3,000, approximately $3.99 million. These are fuel stress tests. More residents also increase food and service costs. Neither a full ship nor new cabin sales automatically resolves an inadequate recurring fee structure.


Ports internet and expenses beyond the cabin

A port bill can include berth occupancy, pilotage, tugs, mooring, terminal services, passenger charges, agency fees and waste collection. Local agent estimates are essential. The following broad USD allowances are assumptions for an Odyssey-sized ship on a roughly 24-hour transit call, not quotations or actual invoices. They exclude fuel purchases, excursions and extraordinary detention.

Destination

Illustrative port

Planning allowance

Tokyo

Tokyo cruise terminal

$15,000–$35,000

Singapore

Assigned cruise terminal

$12,000–$30,000

Thailand

Laem Chabang

$8,000–$20,000

Cambodia

Sihanoukville

$6,000–$15,000

India

Goa or Mormugao

$5,000–$15,000

Marseille

Assigned cruise berth

$15,000–$35,000

These destinations illustrate cost questions and do not assert that Odyssey completed every call. Basic government dues can be only a fraction of the bill. Singapore’s published one-day Category 1 rate would produce about S$1,948 at 24,344 GT before other services. India’s published cruise formula of $0.085 per GRT plus $6 per passenger gives about $3,269 for 200 passengers for the first 12 hours, subject to current eligibility. [6]

The Panama Canal is a separate substantial expense

Odyssey transited the canal in December 2024. For a future planning example, a Super passenger vessel with an assumed 15,000 PC/UMS would face a $100,000 fixed toll plus $82,500 capacity toll at the published rate, before services. A $200,000–$250,000 total allowance is illustrative; Odyssey’s actual canal measurement and invoice were not verified. This is not its historical transit cost. [7]

Internet and getting ashore

Starlink Wi-Fi was advertised as included throughout Odyssey; original materials also named Viasat 3. The actual supplier bill is not public. A provisional $15,000–$30,000 monthly communications allocation could sit within our combined administration line, subject to a supplier quote. It must not be counted twice. Included access does not establish guaranteed bandwidth or video-call performance. [4, 8]

Tender boats, port shuttles and transport into the city are separate journeys. Anchoring may reduce berth costs but add boat hire, fuel, staffing and standby charges. A resident account describes a partially subsidized shuttle boat, so universal free shore transport should not be assumed. [9]

Other questions include medical evacuation, visas, crew rotation, insurance deductibles, environmental charges, drydock hotels, emergency flights and shipping belongings. A ship replacement reserve is separate from routine maintenance. Each item must be assigned either to the operator’s budget or to the resident’s personal spending.


An SMS alternative with a defined travel budget

We can approach extended cruising as a travel program: choose the duration, compare like cabins and build a complete spending plan before committing. A 90-day voyage may be a segment rather than a full circumnavigation. A 180-day cruise can be a single published world voyage. Approximately 350 days may require linked sailings, transfers or cabin changes; it is not presented here as an available single departure.

Program

How we would structure it

What needs confirmation

90 days

World cruise segment or linked regional voyages

Route and whether the same cabin continues

180 days

Published world cruise or comparable long voyage

Cabin category availability and package terms

350 days

Custom sequence of extended voyages

Connections gaps visas and cabin changes

Published benchmarks show the range

Oceania lists a 180-day Vista voyage from Miami to Southampton departing January 6, 2027, with an advertised fare from $76,199 per person. The cited offer includes Wi-Fi and gratuities, plus a choice between wine and beer or a $12,000 shore-excursion credit per stateroom. Category, market, availability and booking terms require confirmation. [10]

Azamara’s 188-night 2027 world-cruise page lists interior, oceanview and veranda prices of $56,659, $64,579 and $72,179 per person respectively, double occupancy, including taxes and fees. It also displays sold out, making these benchmarks rather than available offers. Full-voyage terms list Wi-Fi for two devices and a $3,500 excursion credit per stateroom. [11]

Compare the cabin as carefully as the itinerary

Inside should be compared with inside, oceanview with oceanview, and balcony with balcony, checking usable space, storage, bathroom, accessibility and location. Not every ship offers every category. Azamara’s smaller ships provide one possible comparison in scale; larger ships such as Vista provide useful duration and inclusion benchmarks but are not identical to Odyssey.

Internet comparisons need to specify devices per cabin, simultaneous connections, streaming and video-call support. For people working aboard, included Wi-Fi is not a service-level guarantee. Excursion credits also need scrutiny: eligible tours, prices, expiration and unused-credit rules determine their practical value.

SMS would itemize gratuities, laundry, drinks, port charges, tenders, city transfers, medical costs and flights. Conventional cruising still involves prepayments, cancellation penalties, possible itinerary changes and operator risk. Its practical advantage is a defined travel commitment without requiring a long-term cabin-rights purchase.


Putting the comparison into dollars

The figures below are hypothetical USD planning scenarios for two people sharing a cabin—not market averages or supplier quotations. Assume daily cruise costs of $300 per person inside, $400 oceanview or $500 balcony, with meals, standard internet, gratuities and port charges budgeted within that rate. Live quotes must confirm those inclusions.

Duration

Inside for two

Oceanview for two

Balcony for two

Excursion supplement

90 days

$54,000

$72,000

$90,000

$9,000

180 days

$108,000

$144,000

$180,000

$18,000

350 days

$210,000

$280,000

$350,000

$35,000

Excursions assume one $100 tour per person on half the travel days, equivalent to $50 per person per day averaged across the trip. Add only costs beyond applicable included tours or credits. Flights, insurance, visas, premium spending, hotels between sailings and medical expenses remain additional.

For a separate residential illustration, a $130,000 purchase spread over ten years adds $13,000 annually. At an assumed $4,000 monthly fee for the couple, annual cost becomes $61,000 before supplements, opportunity cost or assessments. If fees continue year-round, that is about $678 per occupied day for 90 days of use, $339 for 180 days or $174 for 350 days. The ten-year assumption is not a guarantee of usable life or resale value.

My conclusion is to price the experience first. An extended cruise may cost more per day yet offer a clearer commitment and greater freedom to change ships or plans. Summit Management Services can help develop a 90-, 180- or approximately 350-day comparison around your cabin preference, connectivity needs and excursion budget. The next step is a written, date-specific proposal with every inclusion and supplement identified.

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Sources and calculation notes

Research checked November 5, 2026. Numbered links support reported facts; all budget and comparison scenarios are SMS editorial estimates. Offers can change and are not booking confirmations.

1  Maritime Executive — ship history and creditor reports

2  Villa Vie — published contract terms

3  US Census — condominium and cooperative definitions

4  Villa Vie — historical programs and inclusions

5  CBS reporting via AOL — disputed finances and sales inventory

6  Singapore port dues and India cruise tariff

6  India — Mormugao published scale of rates

7  Panama Canal — published tolls and services

7  Cruise Industry News — Odyssey canal transit

8  Villa Vie — Starlink and business center

9  Happy Wanderers — resident shuttle boat account

10  Oceania — 180 day voyage and advertised offer

11  Azamara — 188 night pricing status and inclusions


Supplement 1 Internet aboard Odyssey

The following supplemental pages expand the research and calculations summarized in the six-page article. They distinguish published information from assumptions. The numerical examples are not Villa Vie invoices, audited accounts or supplier quotations. Research date November 5, 2026.

How the connection was provided

Villa Vie advertised Starlink satellite internet, accessed through onboard Wi-Fi, with a business center for residents. Original company materials also named Viasat 3. I could not establish whether that second service remained active. Rental materials described Wi-Fi throughout the ship, including staterooms, as an inclusion rather than a daily passenger package. [4, 8]

Satellite capacity reaches the vessel through antennas and is distributed through the onboard network. Capacity, coverage, access points, congestion and traffic management all affect the experience. A resident planning to work aboard should ask about simultaneous devices, video calls, streaming, data allowances and backup connectivity. Inclusion in a monthly fee does not promise uninterrupted service.

What residents paid and what the operator paid

There was no separate standard resident Wi-Fi charge in the advertised inclusions reviewed. The operator still had to pay for connectivity. Its actual Starlink contract, hardware costs, data purchases and any backup service charges were not publicly verified.

As a retail benchmark, Starlink’s maritime listing showed Global Priority 1 TB from $1,150 monthly and 2 TB from $2,150. These are individual plan prices, not Odyssey’s bill and not a complete network for hundreds of residents and crew. Hardware, additional data, management and redundancy can be separate. [S1]

Illustrative ship communications allowance

Low case

High case

Monthly

$15,000

$30,000

Annualized

$180,000

$360,000

Weekly equivalent

$3,452

$6,904

Daily equivalent

$493

$986

These SMS allowances require supplier validation. Weekly and daily equivalents use monthly × 12 ÷ 365, multiplied by seven for a week; they are not separately billed tariffs. Keep this allocation within the earlier $100,000 combined communications, medical-supplies and administration line unless rebuilding that line. Adding it again would double-count spending.

S1  Starlink maritime plans and current retail benchmarks


Supplement 2 Port charges and access ashore

Port charges and what needs to be included

A useful port budget starts with a local agent’s pro forma disbursement account for the actual ship, date, arrival and departure times, passenger movements and services required. Basic port dues alone will not normally establish the complete cost of a call. Some tariffs bundle services, so the agent must identify what is already included.

Charge or service

What the estimate should establish

Port dues and berth occupancy

Vessel measurement stay duration berth or anchorage

Pilotage tugs and mooring

Required movements tug numbers minimums overtime

Terminal and passenger services

Transit versus turnaround passenger fees security

Agency and clearance

Agency fee immigration customs and documentation

Utilities and waste

Water shore power garbage sewage and delivery fees

Tender and shuttle operation

Boats buses operating hours standby accessibility

For a roughly 24-hour call by an Odyssey-sized vessel, our broad USD planning allowances were Tokyo $15,000–$35,000; Singapore $12,000–$30,000; Laem Chabang $8,000–$20,000; Sihanoukville $6,000–$15,000; Goa $5,000–$15,000; and Marseille $15,000–$35,000. They are unquoted assumptions, exclude bunkering and excursions, and do not confirm that every port was visited.

Two published tariff illustrations

Singapore’s one-day Category 1 dues of S$8 per 100 GT yield approximately S$1,948 for 24,344 GT before concessions and other services. India’s cited cruise formula of $0.085 per GRT plus $6 per passenger yields approximately $3,269 for the first 12 hours with 200 passengers. Verify the current port scheme and eligibility rather than assuming the same terms everywhere. [6]

The tender is not the city transfer

Ship to landing, landing through the port and port to city are three different journeys. An operator using its own tender must fund fuel, servicing, inspections and crew time. A hired boat may carry a daily minimum, standby charge and overtime. City transport can be substantial even when the port shuttle is included.

For an arithmetic example, a $6,000 tender day plus $2,000 of buses costs $8,000, or $40 per resident if 200 people use it. Five such days cost $40,000. These are invented planning inputs, not local quotations. Count them inside port services or separately, but only once. A resident account of a partly subsidized shuttle boat shows why universal free transport should not be assumed. [9]


Supplement 3 Odyssey and the Panama Canal

Odyssey transited the Panama Canal in December 2024

Cruise Industry News reported on January 20, 2025 that Odyssey had crossed the Panama Canal in mid-December before visiting ports on South America’s Pacific Coast. In context, that establishes December 2024 as part of the actual voyage, rather than merely a future routing proposal. It does not establish the amount paid for the transit. [7]

How a canal transit enters the budget

A transit has to be budgeted from the applicable tariff, the vessel’s official canal measurement and classification, the locks used, reservation arrangements and required services. PC/UMS canal tonnage is not interchangeable with the vessel’s 24,344 gross tonnage. Using gross tonnage in its place could produce a misleading estimate.

Current tariff illustration

Assumed calculation

Amount

Fixed toll component

Super passenger vessel

$100,000

Capacity component

15,000 PC/UMS × $5.50

$82,500

Illustrative toll subtotal

Before other services

$182,500

Working total allowance

Tolls booking and services

$200,000–$250,000

The 15,000 PC/UMS and classification are assumptions for this example. The current published fixed and capacity rates are used to demonstrate the calculation, not to reconstruct a December 2024 invoice. Actual canal documents and a transit-agent estimate would be required for Odyssey. [7]

What one crossing means to residents

At a midpoint allowance of $225,000, allocating one crossing across 351 contributing cabins produces approximately $641 per cabin. Allocating it across 200 residents produces $1,125 per resident. These are alternative allocation examples, not charges actually imposed. The correct allocation depends on the program’s contracts and financial structure.

One such crossing each year would require a monthly provision of $18,750. Two would require $37,500. If the itinerary already includes those amounts within its port-and-canal budget, do not add the reserve a second time. For a multiyear world itinerary, schedule the cash payment in its actual transit month while funding it over the relevant budget period.

There is also a liquidity question. A reserve recognized in a spreadsheet does not pay a canal invoice unless the cash is available. The same applies to drydock, annual insurance and large supplier payments. Residents need to understand both the annual budget and the timing of cash commitments.


Supplement 4 An illustrative operating budget

This expanded model uses approximately 200 residents and 156 crew, a 30-day provisioning month and 750 tons of fuel at $700 per ton. It is an SMS affordability exercise, not Villa Vie’s departmental budget. Annual figures equal monthly allocations multiplied by twelve; day and week equivalents elsewhere use 365 days per year.

Expense

Monthly

Annualized

Food and beverages

$225,000

$2,700,000

Crew employment excluding food

$600,000

$7,200,000

Fuel at assumed price

$525,000

$6,300,000

Routine technical maintenance

$175,000

$2,100,000

Drydock and major repair reserve

$150,000

$1,800,000

Ports and marine services

$120,000

$1,440,000

Insurance

$100,000

$1,200,000

Hotel supplies laundry and waste

$60,000

$720,000

Communications medical supplies and administration

$100,000

$1,200,000

Contingency

$205,000

$2,460,000

Total before debt service

$2,260,000

$27,120,000

What is behind the allowances

Food assumes $25 per resident daily and $12 per crew member: $206,160 for 30 days, rounded up to $225,000 for beverages, logistics and provisioning variability. Another 200 residents at $25 daily would add $150,000 monthly before extra staffing or service costs.

The crew line assumes approximately $3,850 per person in loaded monthly employment cost, excluding food above. The mix of officers, engineers and hotel staff matters; this is not a uniform wage. Recruitment, rotations, travel, training and relief coverage must be included or identified separately.

Routine maintenance pays for ongoing work and spares. The reserve funds periodic major work; neither proves that a particular refit is adequately funded. Ports assume six calls averaging $20,000. Actual itinerary costing could differ sharply, especially with canal transits or repeated tender operations.

Debt principal, interest, existing unpaid bills and a major unplanned refit would be additional. Principal is a cash financing outflow rather than a conventional operating expense. Paying arrears can also consume cash without representing new current-period expenditure. Keeping these categories separate prevents double-counting while exposing the full funding requirement.

Supplement 5 Operating costs and monthly fees

What did operating the ship cost

The reported internal-document benchmark was $3.1 million monthly, with full-fee revenue at 100% occupancy of $2.5 million. A source close to the company disputed the expense figure, claiming less than $1 million. Neither account is treated here as audited. The accounting scope, debt treatment and reserve provision remain uncertain. [5]

Period

Reported expense

Full fee revenue

Implied deficit

Annualized

$37,200,000

$30,000,000

$7,200,000

Monthly

$3,100,000

$2,500,000

$600,000

Weekly equivalent

$713,425

$575,342

$138,082

Daily equivalent

$101,918

$82,192

$19,726

These equivalents assume the reported month persists, using 365 days annually; they are not actual weekly or daily accounts. The separate $2.26 million SMS model is a different scenario and should not be substituted for company financial statements.

Were the monthly fees enough

Funding measure using 490 cabins

Monthly average

Revenue implied by $2.5 million at full fees

$5,102 per cabin

Required to cover $3.1 million across 490 cabins

$6,327 per cabin

Required if 351 sold cabins alone funded $3.1 million

$8,832 per cabin

At face value, full-fee revenue would need to rise 24% to match the reported expense. That does not establish a particular resident’s assessment: cabin categories, single or double occupancy, prepaid programs and rentals differ. The 351-cabin row is a static stress test, not an audited break-even rate. Costs also change with occupancy.

Fuel could overwhelm an already narrow margin

At 750 tons monthly, fuel costs $525,000 at $700 per ton, $1.5 million at $2,000 and $2.25 million at $3,000. Holding our other model allowances fixed yields totals of $2.26 million, $3.235 million and $3.985 million respectively. These are sensitivities, not verified purchases.

My interpretation is that fuel alone is an incomplete explanation. Financing requests, unsold inventory and payment difficulties signal wider strain. But low resident headcount does not establish actual fee collections, and public reports cannot quantify each cause’s contribution without accounts. [5]

Supplement 6 The real estate comparison

The central weakness is a recurring funding gap

A cabin sale produces cash once. Fuel, crew, insurance, food and maintenance require money continuously. A sound model must show how recurring collections cover recurring obligations and reserves after the initial sales proceeds have been spent. New sales may fund growth, acquisition or improvements; they should not obscure a continuing operating deficit.

A condominium or cooperative offers a useful analogy. Boilers, heating, electrical systems, façades, landscaping and maintenance are funded by charges and reserves. When funding falls short, owners may face assessments. A ship adds propulsion, navigation, lifesaving equipment, hull work, inspections and the fuel needed to move the residence. Its legal ownership structure still depends on the signed documents. [2, 3]

If you have ever owned a boat, you probably know the saying: a boat is a hole in the water into which you pour money. At least, that has been my experience. The attraction of a shared residence is spreading those costs. The challenge is ensuring enough people are contributing enough money, on time, with a reserve for the next major bill.

An absent owner still needs a complete calculation

Renting an unused cabin can offset personal costs only after management commissions, cleaning, damage, payment charges and continuing monthly fees. Rental demand and occupancy cannot be guaranteed. Ask who receives the rent, when the owner is paid and whether money described as a reserve is segregated or simply available to the operating business.

Debt and capital work remain separate obligations

Debt principal, interest, existing unpaid bills and a major unplanned refit would be additional to our modeled operating and reserve budget. A lender’s rights over the vessel may matter even to a resident who is current on every payment. A cabin-rights purchaser should not assume the protection of a deeded condominium or resident control equivalent to a cooperative.

I would want independently reviewed accounts, the loan repayment schedule, a cabin-by-cabin collection analysis, the latest engineering surveys and a costed drydock plan. I would also want to see a ship replacement strategy and readily available cash to withstand disruption. These documents turn an appealing lifestyle proposal into something a buyer can evaluate.

What this means for the SMS alternative

An extended conventional cruise still requires careful supplier selection, cancellation review and insurance planning. Its fare lets the traveler compare a defined period at sea without purchasing a long-term interest in the vessel. Our 90-, 180- and approximately 350-day comparisons remain travel planning scenarios, with cabin, internet and excursion inclusions checked against written quotes.

Research boundary: the numbered references on page 6 support the background facts; S1 on page 7 adds the Starlink retail benchmark. Missing evidence includes actual internet invoices, port disbursement accounts, the canal transit invoice, audited monthly accounts and individual resident contracts. Estimated costs and stress tests should not be presented as those missing records.